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« on: July 23, 2011, 03:19:55 PM »

So, it has been almost 6 months that I have had Dini.  (He was 1 year old when I adopted him.)  I think that the people who had him before me absolutely spoiled him, but in a bad way.  He ate from the table, jumped on people, and pretty much owned the house.  They showed me a video of him opening doors in the house, which they thought was so cute.  I thought it was cute then, now I can see that it was bad behavior that I am now having to deal with.  Don't get me wrong, Dini is great!  He is so sweet and we love him, but he has been a nightmare to train.  He wasn't housebroken (they said he was, but that was a joke) and he wasn't crate trained  when we got him, but he is now.  I still have to crate him when we eat because he will snatch food right out of your hand, sit by the table and beg, and even jump on the table.  He likes to meet new people, only he will jump on them and lick them to death.  I have tried some of the NILIF techniques described here on the board, but they don't seem to be working.  Is this something that only works for puppies?  The only command that he will obey is “sit”.  Dini has a mind of his own and I am having a very hard time training him.  I've trained puppies, but never trained an adult dog.  I've went back and read so many old posts on here about training, but a lot of them are about training puppies.  Is training an adult dog the same as training a puppy, only more time consuming?  I am going to try the method of attaching his leash to me so that I am in total control of his every move.  How long of a leash should I use for this?  I would love ANY advice that any of you could give me!
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« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2011, 07:51:05 AM »

Sounds like you're doing it all right. Just keep it up, be consistant (everyone in the house must do this) and give it time. I don't think adult dogs are any harder to train, they'll learn a "new" trick just as fast as a puppy. What you're having to do is retrain a behavior.

I believe some learned behaviors are simply habits that can be broken by absence. For example, Chester used to drag all the rugs from the kitchen into the livingroom and chew on the corners. I removed the rugs for 1 month and he ignors them now.

Some behaviors need replaced by acceptable ones. In the example above I could have taken the rugs back to the kitchen and replaced them with a chew stick or chew toy (several times for him to get it).

As far as steeling food and such, you need to create an exercise for him to succeed at. Sit and eat a sandwich at the table. If he begs make him sit. He needs to watch you eat. When he can go even a few seconds doing that, give him one of his treats. Keep lengthing the sit time and how long you ignor him before praising/treating. NEVER give him the food you're eating. The goal is for him to sit or laydown while you eat the whole sandwich.

Good luck.
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« Reply #2 on: July 25, 2011, 12:06:04 AM »

Thanks so much for your advice and words of encouragement!  I tried eating a bowl of cereal and a sandwich in front of him and rewarded him for sitting.  It took me a while to finish my meals, but we made it through!   Smile  I can already see improvement!  He is just a work in progress!   Smile
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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2011, 04:59:04 PM »

Totally agree with Geno. I've also noticed that dogs with bigger personalities will tend to try to test any members in new environments. Our dogs are definitely less well-behaved as visitors than in our home. At home, they know what all the rules are, and will abide by them. However, everything goes out the window when they're (they meaning Atka only) in a new environment. He will test to see just how far he can push boundaries, and push he will!

My opinion is that if the rules are laid out consistently, a clear understanding occurs quickly, regardless of what he was allowed to get away with in the past.

In addition, what's worked for us is creating clear physical boundaries as a way to show us respect when eating. Some dogs may need a larger boundary to understand that they can't invade your space during those times. For Atka (who has a BIG personality and is food obsessed and will easily escalate his excitement/obsession level very quickly in direct relation to physical proximity), it wasn't enough that he stay at our feet and not beg or paw us while we eat at the coffee table in front of the TV. I drew an invisible line by the edge of the carpet that he couldn't cross. In the beginning, that meant I had to get up and physically step into his space 100s of times to get him to back away and give me my space. Like you, it took me forever to eat our first few meals. However, with me now, I just give him a look and he knows not to get near.

My husband, however, is a different story. When I'm not home, he allows them to get right underneath him, and even encourages them to clean up after him (he's a messy easter). However, the downside to this is that they can be disrespectful of him and his food and whatever other edible possessions he has on the coffee table, and will reach up to grab it from him. It's tough for them to remain calm about this since he allows them to get so close to the objects of their desire in the first place, so they're like an 11 on a scale of 1-10. Unfortunately, my husband is still working on consistency and understanding what kind of messages he relays to the dogs so that he doesn't have to go from 0-100 in just a matter of seconds (0 meaning eating calmly, 100 meaning jumping up and yelling at Atka b/c he tried to steal food off the table). Jimmy is still trying to grasp the concept of prevention instead of just reaction Smile

The reason I bring this up is because you need everyone in the house to follow the same rules with him. When they don't, he gets conflicting messages, and a clear message of what it is exactly that you want from him while in this household will not be conveyed well. You know your dog better than any of us, so you'll know what kinds of limits you're comfortable with.

When it comes to jumping on people, something that helped us was asking the visitors to ignore him completely when they first come in (no touching or even looking at him), and to not pay any attention to him unless he's calm. If he snuck by and was able to jump on them before I could block him, they were to shove him off and continue ignoring him, but not back away. In addition, we'll try not to let the people in until he's more calm (it will seem like forever to you, but won't be that bad for the people, especially if you tell them he's in training). If the dog is sooooo excited and in a frenzy, it is very difficult to try to get through their heads at that point, and would only be a source of frustration on both parts. If the dog tries to jump on someone, instead of yanking him off and continuing to do that, I actually will quickly get in between him and the person and block him. I never really understood this practice until we got our 2nd dog and saw how she controlled things w/ our 1st dog. It was all about blocking him from getting somewhere, and not pulling him out of the way. Her body language was clearly understood by our 1st dog, and so we learned to speak dog and have been successful at getting him to understand things in that way.

You had asked about the leash length. I had personally used a 6' leash. That meant he was literally right by my side and didn't have much room to meander about. I tell ya, he's got a perfect "heel" position from that, though, and around the house, definitely stays right by my left side, a little behind me, whenever I want him to follow me. He learned very quickly to be mindful of my every move and it worked out great.

With ALL that said, that's great to hear the progress you've made with him thus far! Consistency in whatever you do will only ensure that it gets better Big Grin

Keep us posted and good luck!
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« Reply #4 on: July 28, 2011, 01:14:59 PM »


There's no magic formula -- just time, consistency, and patience.  As a "rule of thumb," expect that however long a dog has been performing a particular bad habit that it will take twice that amount of time for them to break it.  So if a dog has been allowed to jump on people/tables/etc for 6 months, it will probably take a year of consistent training for the dog to "unlearn" that behavior.

Here are a few ideas:

 -- I find that teaching the dog an "alternative" behavior that that is inconsistent with the bad habit that you can reward is the best/fastest way to help break bad habits. For example, do you have a crate?  You could teach Dini to lie quietly in his crate (rewarding frequently with hot dogs and cheese) when visitors come to the door, or when you are eating.  If you don't want to use a crate, you could do the same thing with a dog bed (teach him to lie on a dog bed or bath mat or something away from the table during your dinner -- and then toss him pieces of hot dog for quietly laying down on his mat/bed).

-- Make sure that you use really GOOD rewards, and reward often.  Good rewards are things that he LOVES LOVES LOVES, and usually ones you might eat -- i.e., hot dogs, steak, string cheese, etc.  Make it worth Dini's while to learn self-control, and reward him a lot and often for the good behaviors.

-- Make it easy for him to win.  Only ask for one behavior and reward IMMEDIATELY.  For example, if you ask for sit, only say it once, and as soon as his butt hits the ground, shove a piece of hotdog in his mouth.  Don't ask him to hold the sit or do more than one behavior per cookie in the beginning, until he's gotten really good at doing one thing at a time.  One behavior, one cookie. 

-- Management is key.  Do you have a crate? If you aren't actively working on training Dini or can't supervise him, make sure he is crated so that he can't practice (and further ingrain) his bad habits.  Every time he can reward himself for his bad behavior (for example, by stealing a piece of food off of the table, etc), he is undoing all of your hard work!!!

There's a really good book that might help you, called "Ruff Love" by Susan Garrett.  She sets out a step-by-step program for reigning in dogs who need boundaries.  Although I have not used the full program with my guys, I have used many pieces of it for teaching self-control (my guys are both pretty well behaved, and I've had them since they were puppies).  The program is quite strict in the beginning, but only for the first couple of months.  If you can follow it and stick with it for the a few months, it may be just what you need.

http://www.amazon.com/Ruff-Love-Relationship-Building-Program/dp/1892694069

Susan has written a little about Ruff Love/training "wild and crazy dogs" on her blog:
http://susangarrettdogagility.com/2011/04/what-is-ruff-love-really/
http://susangarrettdogagility.com/2009/09/wild-and-crazy-dogs/
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« Reply #5 on: July 29, 2011, 01:31:52 PM »

When I'm not home, he allows them to get right underneath him, and even encourages them to clean up after him (he's a messy easter). However, the downside to this is that they can be disrespectful of him and his food and whatever other edible possessions he has on the coffee table, and will reach up to grab it from him.

would anyone like to discuss the grant and snoopy's meatball sammie fight? which has happened several times since that initial incident, btw.
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« Reply #6 on: July 29, 2011, 01:44:53 PM »

When I'm not home, he allows them to get right underneath him, and even encourages them to clean up after him (he's a messy easter). However, the downside to this is that they can be disrespectful of him and his food and whatever other edible possessions he has on the coffee table, and will reach up to grab it from him.

would anyone like to discuss the grant and snoopy's meatball sammie fight? which has happened several times since that initial incident, btw.

Oh yes, please do! Big Grin
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« Reply #7 on: July 29, 2011, 03:09:02 PM »

When I'm not home, he allows them to get right underneath him, and even encourages them to clean up after him (he's a messy easter). However, the downside to this is that they can be disrespectful of him and his food and whatever other edible possessions he has on the coffee table, and will reach up to grab it from him.

would anyone like to discuss the grant and snoopy's meatball sammie fight? which has happened several times since that initial incident, btw.

Put them both in a crate next time they fight. Smile Smile

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