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You know you can test your own dog for PRA...go to www.optigen.com to find out more info. I've been thinking about doing this. At $195 I'll have to save up some money first. She hasn't had any problems with her eyes, but I'd like to know for piece of mind. She goes to the vet in March I think so that should be plenty of time to save up some $$$. Thanks for the link.  |
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« Reply #27 on: December 21, 2008, 03:44:01 PM » |
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Yes, the Optigen test is expensive, but you can also do the CERF exam for less. While it tells you less about PRA, it does cover other eye diseases as well. Often they have CERF clinics at shows for about $25/dog. Your vet can also do the test. It is an annual test rather than a once in a lifetime. For PRAcd, it only tells you when the early stages of the disease can be seen. Once the dog is about 5-6 years old, if the the CERF doesn't detect the early stages, then more likely than not, you dog will not be affected.
If you do the optigen route, no need for a vet checkup. You order the test online, do the cheek swabs and send them in. Just follow the instructions. You have to buy your own cheekswabs, but they tell you where and what kind in the instructions.
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« Reply #28 on: December 21, 2008, 05:26:22 PM » |
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Oh that is awesome information, thanks for sharing. I've been concerned about Mia, like Lisa not knowing about Juneau and Jasmine misjudging the bed... when we go out in the yard at night time, Mia will pee in the middle of the walkway instead of burying her face int the bushes or peeing close to the fence. Or she will bark at or growl or make a round around objects that she KNOWS are there and sees out there EVERYDAY when it's daytime. But at nighttime she kind of freaks out at things. It's really... concerning...
Will definitely keep this in mind, thank you. Maybe we can make a separate thread about the CERF and optigen info/testings and prices etc., if there's anymore info to be shared on it so we don't hijack this thread. Cuz I know that I for one am very interested in any and all informations available.
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I am definately for starting a new thread. We do have on this board a section called Archives. Like the beginning of Optigen http://forum.eskie.net/index.php/topic,457.0.htmlOr What breeders do http://forum.eskie.net/index.php/topic,1121.0.html
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I dont understand what you mean by I settled on them because I wanted a girl eskie? I get first pick of the litter and I had already known that I wanted a girl before i even came to them... But if you mean settle in which I am probably going to get a puppy from them, well for right now I am fine with them to be honest and I wouldnt mind getting a puppy from them.. I will keep everyone updated on the answers i get back through my email. I asked him if he does health tests on his puppies, anyways I hope everything goes smoothly with them. I know some people havent had the best experience with them and are just trying to help me out which i am thankful because people actually care about my situation. They do turn people down if they dont feel that the buyer is good enough for their puppies, which is why they have the questionaire. They had warned me about the price of the puppies too, because I am young. But I have a really good job right now and recieve really good pay. I'm really not worrying about that because I wouldnt get a puppy if I couldnt pay for it financially, but I can. Anyways, I will keep everyone updated, and i hope everything goes well. Also, to Hokie Eskiemom- I live in Roanoke County too, actually i go to hidden valley highschool and I will be graduating(thankfully!!). Roanoke is a nice place, it just gets boring because all you can do around here is eat and go to movies! But I hope my words didnt seem mean because I didnt mean it in that way. Its just I havent had problems with this breeder and it seems others havent either. I know I cant just go with everyone else and how great their dogs turned out from platinumeskies... Its just I think I will be fine, and as along as they answer my questions and everything goes by smoothly things will probably turn out okay. But if they seem hostile about my questions I will no doubt turn the other way and keep looking. Also, im wondering, when i pick up my puppy, and take her to the vet, cant the vet do the same health tests?
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Since your in the Roanoke area too, Virginia Tech does Cerf too, last checked they were $25-35 . For OFA their around $400 + . See this is a great place to get to know others , their really nice, & they won't steer you wrong. If you want you can meet my dogs & my new puppy "BLAZE" & we can do eskie meets & go to fundraisers when you get yours ! Sometimes ERU has rescues needing transport threw the area too ( I-81) Rescues need a secure home, they have been though so much , but then you usually do not know what health they will be in, in the long run.  Doesn't mean their less loving though  Yes, your vet can do tests , but only at certain ages, they have to be at least 2 years old for hips, my previous vet didn't cerf mine as very young puppies, but when they got just a little bit older Have you seen many eskies in Roanoke ? How does your parents like the eskies ? I'm always looking for others , but have only met a few samoyeds.  I like them too. Pm me if you want to see my Blaze or the others sometime, it's no problem for me to come to Roanoke, since i have tons of family there. |
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« Reply #32 on: December 21, 2008, 10:03:24 PM » |
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Okay well good, I will probably get those for my puppy anyways, im thinking about going to cave spring veterinary clinic. My mom takes her dogs there and they have always been awesome. Do you know that veterinary clinic?? Actually, I have seen a couple of eskies in roanoke. My neighborhood is split into two sections and in the other section, a family owns an eskie... Ive only seen it a couple of times when i go to visit my friends. Then this other time, I was driving through a neighborhood and this white dog with leaves and sticks all over it came up to the side of my car, and i kind of freaked out and kept driving because it was so dirty i couldnt even tell what kind of dog it was at the moment, plus it had scared me really bad. Then i realized it was probably an eskie and got lost, so i went back to go ambush it (  ) and put it in my car to rescue it. But when I went back it had totally disapeared, but someone was driving behind me so i was thinking that maybe they picked up the dog. Well i hope that dog got back to its family.. poor thing , it makes me sad thinking about it because when i saw its face it looked like a really sweet dog, but it was so matted i couldnt even tell what kind of dog it was. |
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« Reply #33 on: December 21, 2008, 10:24:26 PM » |
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Yes, your vet can do the same health tests, but by then, it is too late...she will already be yours with whatever problems she may have. My first eskie came from a pet store, she just turned 7 years old and has one of the most severe cases of hip dyplaysia they have ever seen. There is NO bone structure in her hips at all. The only reason she still walks is because I do alot of rehab for her and her muscles are in good shape right now. I took her to a rehab specialist and paid close to a thousand $ PER MONTH for 3 months to get her decent condition. She used to be my agility dog...now she can't run and jump like that anymore. It is heart breaking. I don't know what I will do when she can't walk to go out and potty. Carry her? get her some wheels? Put her down? She hides her pain everyday.
Hips can't be checked until a dog is full grown...over 2 years old because they aren't through growing. Optigen can be tested at any age, but is your puppy is affected, she could go blind by the time she is about 5 or 6 years old.
Eskies live about 15 years on average. So, what I am saying is that for more than half of their lives, these dogs lives will be as handicaps...blind or cripppled.
By having the parents tested generation after generation, we hope that eventually these two diseases can be elminated so that no more eskies will ever have to suffer like that.
By buying eskies from people that don't test, they are encouraged to continue bad unethical breeding practices. If they cared anything about any dog, they would do whatever it takes to improve the health of their babies. They don't do the tests because it is expensive and they would rather have the money than a healthy dog. How is that honest? Caring? I call it selfish and greedy.
Take a poll on this board if you like and ask the following:
How many have/had a pet store/back yard breeder/puppy mill dog?
How many would do it again?
How many that answered "yes" to the first question got a quality bred dog in subsequent purchases?
You will see that we really and truly have been down this road and we are trying so incredibly hard to save you from the heartbreak that so many of us have suffered. Why do you think so many people are putting so much effort into this discussion? Because we love eskies and only want whats best for them.
On whose word are their other puppy buyers happy? Do you think they would give you the feedback from unhappy owners?
Hey, does anyone on the board remember that website that listed puppies with health problems and where they came from ? It would be interesting to see how many of these guys dogs are on there.
After all the information you have been given, are you still determined to get a platinum eskie? Have you already given them your money? Before the puppy is even born?? What if there are no puppies born? No females? it happens. Send in an another puppy questionaire, with really bad answers under a different name...I bet you don't get turned down.
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« Reply #34 on: December 21, 2008, 11:06:36 PM » |
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like i said... im going to ask them a couple questions and base it on that. If they dont do the testing on the upcoming litter then I will start looking for another breeder.
and i know everyone is just trying to help me, trust me, i dont want a puppy with health problems. I love dogs, and i just want the best for any of them and all breeds. Do you really think I want to have a puppy that ends up being blind or having hip problems? No, I want a happy, loving, healthy, companion. I love dogs, especially eskies, all i want is the best for them. So that being said, if platinum eskies doesnt do health testing then I will start looking for another breeder.
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« Reply #35 on: December 22, 2008, 12:11:05 AM » |
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Hi and welcome to the Eskie Boards! I would like to wish you the best in finding an Eskie puppy to share your life with. I would also, like others caution you to do your homework on this. My opinion of Platinum Eskies ~ they have a link to pay with PayPal to buy a puppy on their site, the health issues others here have brought up, their references seem phony, and the fact that they breed "just to share Eskies with others." The fact that Platinum Eskies "warned" you about the price of their puppies makes it seem more like they were out to be sure you were a buyer than anything. Oh, and also you mentioned that they were always really sweet and quick at answering your emails and questions? But then they were not nice to other breeders who asked picky questions. Seems fishy to me. I really want for you to get nice Eskie with a solid background, and minor if any health issues. Yes you can treat health issues sometimes - but wouldn't it be better to never have to go that route in the first place? Enough said.
My advice would be to call the number for the local AEDCA breeder referral in your area. (I believe that it's Dorry Stone (508)-873-4013.) They will put you in contact with responsible and ethical breeders who have registered Eskies, have or do show their dogs, and that do health testing. Best of luck in your search - and be sure to post lots of pics when you do bring home your perfect bundle of fuzz!
P.S. Come on everyone - the harrassing of this girls age does not help anyone and is VERY not nice. She's not that much younger than I am (6yrs) and I'd hate to think of any of my friends on here doing that to me. Being 17 yrs old does not mean "stupid." There's got to be a better way to inform people than putting them down. Lets all be polite shall we?
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Here are some breeders that I found for you that I know have been in Eskies for quite awhile. I'm not sure how close or how far they are from you, but they are all in Virginia. I'm sure other breeders / exhibitors on these forums could share their knowledge of them? Eros Eskies - in Dillwyn, VA - Anna and Maurice Baughn - http://www.americaneskimo.com/eros/ RTic Eskies - in Farmville, VA - Debbie Allen - http://www.americaneskimo.com/rtic/ DeCaC's Eskies - in Amelia, VA - Deborah Cromer - http://www.decacs.com/ If I'm not mistaken, I believe that Debbie Allen is on these forums occasionally. You could always send her a Personal Message (PM) under My Messages to Rtic AE with any questions etc. She might also have heard about Platinum Eskies and have some benificial info for you about if she has heard positive comments about them or not. Just a suggestion. We are all here to help and support eachother..... Happy Holidays! |
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Jessica, i'm 37 or 38 can't remember, LOL ! Wish i was your age when i learned of the American Eskimo Dogs !  I have a 17 yr old son who is a senior in high school, a girl that is 9 & wanting to be a handler in shows, & my youngest is 8, he's the wild card for sure ! Your never to young , & your starting out with others giving you great advice. Horizonaed, gave you some great links . I was set on a miniature show male in my search . I think their a few hours from you. Most shows seem to be over on the east side of Va. Wish there were more in Central , VA. You may be able to meet some of them at one, i've been wanting to myself. I didn't know about health testing, pet shop secrets,mills, BYB's & quality breeders when i got Buffi , All i knew is what I learned from my dad & uncle ( dad bred beagles ), now YOU know so much more than I did and i was what .... 32-ish when i got buffi. I made a few mistakes along my way, and have learned from them. Just think where you'll be at age 40 ! Be positive. I also went to a breeders referral list threw the AEDCA & kennel clubs . Have a MERRY CHRISTMAS everyone ! |
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« Reply #39 on: December 22, 2008, 01:57:26 PM » |
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Greetings!!
I think they've got a nice website that they've spent a little bit of time creating.
To me the most important thing is the PRA testing - your vet can't do this test - you could be getting a puppy that is destined to go blind which is not the worst thing in the world but if I could know before I get a dog I would want to know. I also think it's an indicator about the breeders motives - it's an expensive test, are they willing to pay for it and prevent blind dogs?
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Oh yea, totally avoidable Like I said, I would want to know before I got the puppy. I was just thinking better than being in terrible pain, loosing limbs, etc.... jphilxo - have you thought about getting into showing your new dog? Or getting into agility or flyball? |
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I'll vouch for Anne Marie's pups! We got Yeti from her - lots of SuJo in his heritage! He is sooo adorable - even with a shaved belly from his neutering! he's the one laying down in the siggy picture and there are other pictures of him in other threads - don't know how to insert a link. Can someone help me with that? Anne Marie is very very sweet and she's in your neck of the woods - SE of Roanoke. Barbara, I saw them in early December when I picked Yeti up at the UKC show- the boys are bigger than the girls, but those girls are absolutely the sweetest balls of fluff! oh - and he has "popcorn" feet too! All eskies seem to. |
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Thanks Jasmine! One could always search on Yeti - can't be too much with that in it!
jphilxo - i can email you her address/phone/email - just click on the icon to the left.
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« Reply #48 on: December 23, 2008, 06:48:48 AM » |
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I'm very happy Jessica that we were able to make you understand that getting the right dog (quality) is very important for the long run. All puppies are cute (eskies) or not. But being a long-term engagement, you sure would want the healthiest dog possible.
You'll find the right dog for you. I'm not worried at all about this. May take a few more months...or even a few days less than scheduled.
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